tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31569376.post115551826983496986..comments2023-09-22T10:52:28.074-07:00Comments on The Light At the end of the Tunnel: Who Won: Israel or Lebanon?Ben Kahen, ESQ.http://www.blogger.com/profile/06566195213493551536noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31569376.post-46541832147300964612007-04-15T13:18:00.000-07:002007-04-15T13:18:00.000-07:00"We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, ..."We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population."<BR/>David Ben Gurion, Founder of Israel<BR/><BR/>"We must do everything to ensure they [the Palestinian refugees] never do return" David Ben-Gurion, in his diary, 18 July 1948, quoted in Michael Bar Zohar's Ben-Gurion: the Armed Prophet, Prentice-Hall, 1967<BR/><BR/>"If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti - Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?" <BR/>David Ben Gurion, Founder of Israel<BR/><BR/>"Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because geography books no longer exist. Not only do the books not exist, the Arab villages are not there either. Nahlal arose in the place of Mahlul; Kibbutz Gvat in the place of Jibta; Kibbutz Sarid in the place of Huneifis; and Kefar Yehushua in the place of Tal al-Shuman. There is not a single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population." Moshe Dayan, address to the Technion, Haifa, reported in Haaretz, 1969Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31569376.post-1169224228740656692007-01-19T08:30:00.000-08:002007-01-19T08:30:00.000-08:00Amazing ReportOFIR HAmazing Report<BR/><BR/>OFIR HAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31569376.post-1162779519959711772006-11-05T18:18:00.000-08:002006-11-05T18:18:00.000-08:00Israel should be destroyed .. Hezbollah clearly wo...Israel should be destroyed .. Hezbollah clearly won.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31569376.post-1155717819334657932006-08-16T01:43:00.000-07:002006-08-16T01:43:00.000-07:00Im not going to post here anymore, I dont want to ...Im not going to post here anymore, I dont want to legitimize such an irrelevant and fascist blog. If you want real analysis from an internationalist and not a fascist soldier boy/baby killer, visit ipouya.blogspot.com.<BR/><BR/>If you enjoy the glorification of fascism, then PLEASE, stay here.iPouyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18422621973404191325noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31569376.post-1155717753925271372006-08-16T01:42:00.000-07:002006-08-16T01:42:00.000-07:00Oh and just read Arash's post, yes Arash, youre ri...Oh and just read Arash's post, yes Arash, youre right, everyone hates Israel bc they are poor, it has nothing to do w the occupation of the Golan Heights, and the 400,000 ILLEGAL SETTLERS in the W. Bank, the illegal annexation of E. Jerusalem, and the destruction of Lebanon, no, not at all.iPouyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18422621973404191325noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31569376.post-1155717660509474562006-08-16T01:41:00.000-07:002006-08-16T01:41:00.000-07:00I will be doing a more comprehensive analysis as t...I will be doing a more comprehensive analysis as to who gained what in this war soon on my blog so stay tuned for a diversity in opinion and not one that only glorifies the Israeli military, i.e. FASCISM!iPouyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18422621973404191325noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31569376.post-1155717607825916972006-08-16T01:40:00.000-07:002006-08-16T01:40:00.000-07:00Siamak, why a partial pull out of the W. Bank? Y n...Siamak, why a partial pull out of the W. Bank? Y not a full pull out? They are illegal settlements after all.<BR/><BR/>Im afraid that if these major issue is not resolved, then the "light at the end of the tunnel" is very very far away.<BR/><BR/>As for Fatah, they are discredited by the populace as corrupt.<BR/><BR/>As for who won, no one expected Hizbollah to defeat the Israeli army, but they did hope for it to resist, and resist it did.<BR/><BR/>Furthermore, its popularity and esteem (see excerpts below) has spread to unprecedented heights not just in the Muslim and Arab worlds, but I saw white people carrying Nasrallah posters at the solidarity demonstration in SF last Saturday.<BR/><BR/>Also it will not disarm, it is a resistance organization first and foremost and by disarming, they are practically ending their existence, which wont happen.<BR/><BR/>Nobody who knows the region actually expects Hizbollah to disarm.<BR/><BR/>More failure: Also, the 2 Israel soldiers are still held by Hizbollah.<BR/><BR/>The only thing Israel achieved, which is important, is that it will have a security buffer in the South, meaning, Hizbollah officially will be removed, albeit, many of the fighters are from the south so they will still have a de facto presence.<BR/><BR/>Also, Israel succeeded in killing 1,000 Lebanese, of which a great majority were civilians, and it succeeded in getting the ENTIRE populace and much of the rest of the world further opposed to its inherent warmongering nature.<BR/><BR/>http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/750500.html<BR/><BR/>A writer for the Israeli Ha'aretz recently wrote: "If Israel can exist only by destroying the neighborhood, then it's time to declare it a failed state. The Zionist dream has turned into a nightmare and is not viable. If the future holds more of the same, then the time has come to reconsider the whole project."<BR/><BR/>http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/15/world/middleeast/15hezbollah.html?_r=2&ref=middleeast&amp;amp;pagewanted=all&oref=slogin&oref=slogin<BR/><BR/>Excerpts from a NY Times article on Hizbollah's status after the ceasefire went into effect on Monday: Ahmed Abdullah, a 31-year-old shop owner who drove for two hours to survey the damage, waved a cellphone toward his apartment, now missing part of a wall.<BR/>“You see all of this?” he said, smiling. “We don’t care.”<BR/>He added that he wished all of his countrymen had “protected us, but we see only Hezbollah.”<BR/>Whatever the cost for Hezbollah to hold this mountain village day after day of Israeli bombing and shelling — the group does not disclose its losses — the fight is widely regarded as a turning point by this country’s Shiite south and more broadly by the Arab world, which watched in fascination as the organized militia stood its ground against Israel.<BR/>Signs of support for Hezbollah were everywhere. On a small side street, without much damage, a Hezbollah poster board stood propped against an open door. “Lebanon is victorious with its martyrs,” it said in bold print.<BR/><BR/>http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,,1844698,00.html<BR/><BR/>Excerpts from The Guardian article: Yet for the townspeople who slowly trickled home, many to decimated homes, the bombs had failed to obliterate one thing - a defiant sense of victory. "I feel joy," said Ibrahim Awada, whose grocery store had been flattened, house destroyed and three neighbours killed. "These buildings can be rebuilt. All I care is that Hizbullah defeats Israel."<BR/><BR/>Police officer Sameeh Srur embraced Hizbullah fighters, kissing them on both cheeks. "Yes, it looks like Leningrad," he said, referring to the Soviet city that braved the brutal German siege during the second world war. "But we brought the Israelis to their knees here. This shows that Hizbullah is the strongest army in the Middle East."iPouyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18422621973404191325noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31569376.post-1155717559425529192006-08-16T01:39:00.000-07:002006-08-16T01:39:00.000-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.iPouyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18422621973404191325noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31569376.post-1155694623501916612006-08-15T19:17:00.000-07:002006-08-15T19:17:00.000-07:00I couldn't agree with you more Siamak! But again, ...I couldn't agree with you more Siamak! <BR/>But again, they are all just wishfull thinking! <BR/><BR/>Forces such as Syria, Iran, and Shiite Relgious authorities in the region would never let such thing happen! why? simple because they breath and survive from ruines of war! <BR/><BR/>With peace, people are going to ask questions about their way of thinking or financial situations; It would be the end of them!Ben Kahen, ESQ.https://www.blogger.com/profile/06566195213493551536noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31569376.post-1155690546691596182006-08-15T18:09:00.000-07:002006-08-15T18:09:00.000-07:00It's hard to say who really won. Hezbollah lost a ...It's hard to say who really won. Hezbollah lost a lot of rockets and fighters and infrastructure, but gained popularity throughout the Muslim world. Israel dealt a heavy blow to Hezbollah and southern Lebanon and demonstrated it will not negotiate prisoner's releases. Israel also sent a clear message - you steal soldiers, Israel opens the gates of hell on your country.<BR/><BR/>Here's what I'd like to see happen in the next five years:<BR/>1. Hezbollah disarmed completely, either by Israeli or int'l force. I don't care what it takes.<BR/>2. Partial West Bank pullout: Israel pulling its isolated settlements out of the densely populated areas of the West Bank.<BR/>3. A Fatah comeback in the West Bank and Gaza. Hopefully Fatah will be less corrupt and more Palestinians will vote for them next time around. <BR/><BR/>It may be foolish to hope for these three things to happen, but Israeli, Palestinian, and Lebanese lives depend on it happening.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31569376.post-1155600577769549972006-08-14T17:09:00.000-07:002006-08-14T17:09:00.000-07:00Well said Ben, lets keep our eyes on "The Light at...Well said Ben, lets keep our eyes on "The Light at the End of the Tunnel".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com