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Wednesday, April 25, 2007

Iranian's Government vs Iranian Youth!


I am done with Law School finals. I can’t express how relieved I am. Anyways, recently I have found a new hobby. I have found all these Iranian Bloggers from Iran who live inside Iran. They are all student Bloggers. These guys are extremely articulate and well educated. These are the same group of students that Islamic Republic has been trying to repress almost tn years now. These guys are very open minded and at the same well aware of what is going on around the world. Maybe our students and college professors should learn from these guys about what it means to be educated. They are very moderate in their views and they analyze anything and everything before making decision. At the same time, they are very experienced in terms of knowledge, meaning that they have experienced what it means to jailed, to be shut down, or to be repressed. Now compare that to our professors or students in this country who only talk out of their behind without any experience of what is going on. I wish there was a way to translate their articles for my English speaking readers.

I recently read this article in Jomhour which is my favorite blog. I decided to steal his article and translate it to English for my English readers, so they would have an idea what is happening in Iran. Recently, the government of Iran is trying to fight corruption and inappropriate acts in public. It may sound very appealing to Americans and anybody who doesn’t know anything about what is going on in Iran. We may think what is wrong with fighting corruption?! The answer is, by inappropriate act, they are clamping down on women who do not cover their hairs completely, or they wear Hijabs that are too tight, or for example when boys and girls mingle at a coffee shop. To our definition, it is safe to conclude that they are clamping down on freedom of expression and invading their personal freedom. Iranian citizens from all around this country and especially from Tehran are very critical of this new plan. On the state television channel two, the commander of Iranian police force of Tehran gave a speech defending this new plan. His speech boiled my blood!

He alleges that these girls that they are clamping down on are nothing but whores. According to this moron, any girl who tries not to listen or follow his chauvinistic sexists Islamic laws are whore. Then he goes further by trying analyzing what these whores up to in Iranian society. Now keep in mind, in Tehran 60-80% of young females between the ages 30 and 15 dress in such a way that he is calling as “whores.” He just called 60% of Iranian young girls, bunch of whores. He alleges that these whores would persuade men to go to their place and then blackmail these guys for gifts or money. For the love G-d, anybody who know anything about Iranian men would know that these men don’t need persuasions. If anything, these men would chase after these poor girls! After giving his analysis of how and why these so called whores act this way, he cannot just present argument without not mention foreign forces. Therefore, he proceeds by saying that a lot of these “whore” are agents of foreign countries and of course lets not forget Zionists! For the love of G-d, this moron is the commander of all of Tehran Police, he could he claim such thing with a straight face? And then he concludes his speech by saying that this new action is with support of majority of Iranian population. He claims, and this is my favorite part, 80% of Iranians are supporting such new clamping down on youngsters. If anything, from all the protests and articles and blog articles from Iran, I would say 80% of Iranians are against such actions. This moron has the balls and freedom to go on Channel 2 and lie like that to their own citizens.

This sort of actions is nothing new for Iranian government. However, in today global world, they are implementing the same action toward the world community with regards to their nuclear ambitions. A lot of people in Universities and Academics believe this government when they allege that they only want nuclear power. They honestly think that the world is going to fall for these lies, but in some respect they are right. Unfortunately, the Left has fall for such claims along with a lot of academics. However, as it is apparent, Europe is not buying the claims anymore and it is only going to get uglier. I am just wondering, why do Iranian citizens tolerate such deceiving government that has absolutely no benefit for them or Iran? The good part is that we have Iranian students who are standing up to this government. But why does the regular citizens tolerate such government?

22 comments:

Anonymous said...

Hello my name is Mike , 18 years from Lebanon. I think that the Islamic republic like Saudi Arabia also don't have freedom for women and they should chamge this point of view . The leaders in Iran or in KSA do whatever they want, but if the people did the things they are doin thats wrong, they are whore and evils !!
On the other hand, the nuclear power of Iran should be shut down, cause it threaten all the Middle East Israel,Lebanon, also their beloved country Syria ..
God Forgive them, and Bless us & protect us Christians, Jews,Muslims,against such laws and rules .

Anonymous said...

[If you keep erasing, I will post en masse. Leave one and that'll be it.]

Arash the Israeli Occupation Soldier, please give a disclaimer when addressing matters Iran-related like this one:

Disclaimer:

"My name is Arash. I was born in Iran. I came to the US when I was 12. I am an extremist Zionist who joined the Israeli Occupation Forces for one month (until they kicked me out). Nevertheless, I am a fervent Zionist extremist and when I view the world, I do so with Israel in mind.

I don't give two shits for Iran, but since the Islamic government in Iran is opposed to Israel, I will oppose it when I can find an issue like political prisoners or lack of social freedoms in iran.

I don't really care about freeing political prisoners bc if I did, I'd be supportive of the tens of thousands of Palestinian political prisoners in Israel's dungeons. Or if I cared about freedom, I'd be working against the MILITARY OCCUPATION of the West Bank. I don't care about these things, I just like to pick at it when it comes to Iran bc Iran is really bad for not being nice to Israel. Iran is not nice to Israel bc it doesn't support our dispossession of Palestine. This makes me sad. I cry about it and to make myself feel better, I caress the Israeli made bullets I brought home from Israel. So I like to talk bad about Iran every chance I get. Now if Iran was just as oppressive under a regime that was pro-Israel, I would give them nothing but praise left and right."

Anonymous said...

And now for the opposing side...

I am an Iranian who came to the United States some time ago, but I still hate it. As a matter of fact I hate not only this country, but also all other countries that are allied to it(i.e. Israel, UK).

Why do i hate the US? Because I have convinced myself that Iran is better and I feel nostalgic. Furthermore I feel guilty in living in a country that the head of Iran calls the "Big Satan." As a result I make nonsensical claims and wild exaggerations.

Someday I hope to work with a terrorist organization in the United States, but for now I am content with voicing extreme political opinions against this country and its allies.

For now, i personally don't care social or political rights, since I don't actually live in Iran, so I don't feel the problems that actual residents of Iran feel. Instead I actually support the Iranian regime for my own personal nostalgic reasons and endorse the Islamic regime.

I also enjoy bashing specifically Israel, because I am upset that they were able to humiliate my Muslim brothers many times during the endless wars of the past century. I am also very supportive of Hezbollah because they have made it seem like they can stand up to Israel. I of course don't care if they brought war and destruction on Lebanon. In my eyes they can do no wrong.

That's me. Radical.

Anonymous said...

So which Zionist posted this hilarious comment? Will the real shady Zionist please stand up, please stand up, please stand up.

See you momos have forgotten what it means to be American. It is very American to be critical of the gov't. And in opposing this gov'ts foreign policy, which is a sentiment now shared by an overwhelming majority of this country, I am being very American.

Instead, dorks such as the poster above calls me anti-American for being critical. So what do you say about the majority of this country that feels the same? Perhaps if I was born here and white you wouldn't be saying such "nonsensical" crap.

As for Israel "humiliating" this and that. No thanx. The reason why Israel is opposed by Muslims and non-Muslis and anti-Zionist Jews alike, is bc ethnic cleansing is wrong no matter who does it. Period.

And no thanx, I don't support the gov't in Iran.

And yes, Israel is at fault for destroying Lebanon. To think the war happened bc of the Hezbollah attack is to do away with 40 years of Israeli aggressionist history.

Yes, there is a context. Care to follow up on it?

And the disclaimer about Arash the Occupation Soldier [insert baby killer if you so like] stands.

Enjoy. Here is me, rationale and informed.

YOU KNOW WHO THIS IS!!! ;)~~

Ben Kahen said...

rationale? informed?
they just don't go together. You are a nazi, think like a nazi, act like a nazi! you are a nazi,
hahahahhahahahahaha ..
pouya..the nazis called themselves scholars too!

Pouya you don't know shit abou Israel or history of Israel, all you have done is reading books who slam Israel and you have blinded yourself toward Israel.

Baby Killer: who are killing babies? your heros in Iraq who are blowing themselves up in markets. And no, you are not critical of government in Iran simply because you have never wrote anything about it or expressed it in any sense.

Israeli aggression: lets see: who attacked Israel in 1948, who started the crisis in 1958, 1967, or 1972!?? aggression: wasn't it arabs or muslim who flew planes into building, took hostages, blew up buses, gave fatwa to kill jews whereever you find them? Agression: pouya people like you are terrorist apologist nazis!

AHAHHAHAH WELL INFORMED!! MY ASS YOU DON'T JACK SHIT ABOUT HISTORY OF ISRAEL;

Anonymous said...

Well if I must stand up, I will. But this paranoia of yours about "all these Zionists around you" should worry you, at least a little.

I am standing, I am standing to thank the leader of Iran for his Easter gift of freeing British soldier that he himself had captured. What a gift.

Seriously isn't that sign of a rogue, pariah state? If not, then maybe that its this state who finances Hezbollah, Hamas, and terrorists in Iraq? or maybe that its this state who has captured American diplomats and kept them hostage? or maybe that its developing nuclear weapons? or maybe that it calls for the destruction of another UN member state? or maybe that it opnely denies the Holocaust?(you gotta be especially moronic for that one)

As for you being "very American." What i'm saying is that you have never criticize Iran for...Anything. While at the same time blaming everyone else.

That my radical friend, makes you pro-Iranian regime.

As for Israel.. I would hope that if you know anything about the region you would know 1. there's no such word as aggressionist and 2. israel was attacked in 1948, blockaded in 1967(that's a declaration of war under international law), and attacked again in 1973. So who exactly is the aggressor?

Israel fights for its life, and is "aggressionist." So if it allowed itself to get overrun in 1948 when attacked by a group of countries, would it have been peaceful and you'd accept it?

Jews came back to their land, where Judaism was born(Hebron), where the kings of the Jews, David and Solomon sat, and where the Temple was built.

To Conclude...
If you reject their right to their own land or that you ignore Iran's support of terrorism, then yes, you have a problem.

the first thing to do when facing a problem is to admit it.
"Yes, I am a Radical"

Anonymous said...

Aggressionist is not a word. But in lay talk, you can always attach an "ism" to any word really.

But words like "irregardless" that Arash the Occupation Soldier likes to employ, are NOT words, not even by lay standards.

If I have to repeat myself a hundred times I will so you racists understand: Lets say for instance that you are right, Arab leaders have started everything and Israel is entirely innocent, that still doesn't give Israel the right to occupy land it conquered (this isn't the medieval period) and cleanse the land of its non-Jewish population.

Call me a Nazi, tell me I support the regime here and there, but you who attack people for opposing such murder and racism is very telling of your own standards.

As for Arash the Occupation Soldier who caresses his Israeli made bullets every night before he sleeps, I don't know Israel's history? Shit man, at least I know the dates. You said: "Israeli aggression: lets see: who attacked Israel in 1948, who started the crisis in 1958, 1967, or 1972!??"

The Suez Crisis actually happened in 1956 and the October War aka the Yom Kippur War aka the Ramadhan War happened in 1973.

If I don't know Israel's history, I still know more about it than you honey.

hahaha.

Anonymous said...

p.s. Are these people Nazis for saying such words? This is pretty much my belief. I agree w them.

"We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population."
- David Ben Gurion, Founder of Israel

"We must do everything to ensure they [the Palestinian refugees] never do return"
- David Ben Gurion, Founder of Israel

"If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti - Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?" -David Ben Gurion, Founder of Israel

"Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because geography books no longer exist. Not only do the books not exist, the Arab villages are not there either. Nahlal arose in the place of Mahlul; Kibbutz Gvat in the place of Jibta; Kibbutz Sarid in the place of Huneifis; and Kefar Yehushua in the place of Tal al-Shuman. There is not a single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population."
- Moshe Dayan, address to the Technion, Haifa, reported in Haaretz, 1969

Anonymous said...

At least now you're conceding that Israel has been attacked many times. That's certainly progress.

Now on to land Israel "conquered" and "ethnic cleansing"

First of all, in international law there is a very logical concept and it is - in defensive war, the victim nation is not under any obligation to give land back to the aggressor. If the opposite of this rule were true(as you suggest), then aggressors would have very little disincentive to invade, since whenever they actually lost anything, they could just demand that land back.

Examples of land that was taken from the aggressor after an aggressive war - Eastern Prussia(after WWII) taken by Russia from Germany, Kuril Islands(WWII) taken from Japan by Russia, Parts of East Germany(WWII) taken by Poland from Germany.

These "takings" are legitimate, since they are done by the victim of an aggression and they serve as disincentives to any further aggression, since they are a great example of the principle, "there are consequences to actions."

Hence to give the Golan Heights back to Syria after Syria attacked in the first place is foolish. To give the West Bank back to Jordan(thats who claimed it when Jordan attacked Israel in 1948 and 1967) would similarly not make any sense. If you suggest giving it to palestinian arabs - they too were aggressors in 1948, when they joined with other Arab countries to invade and destroy Israel.

Hence, this land might have been captured, but it was captured through defensive, so aggressors shouldn't assume they "deserve" it back.

Anonymous said...

Secondly, about your quotes.

I am of the belief that the colonizer of any area naturally doesn't belong there. The Arabs came to own "palestine" or Israel by virtue of the conquest of the area in 638. Noone and i mean noone disputes that this was in fact a conquest.

Who was there before the Arabs?

Before them it was the Christians who also conquered the land from the ... Jews.

Thus the conclusion begs itself, who's the first possessor of the land and thus the rightful owner? Jews.

Now you'll say, but didnt Jews conquer it from someone else too? Yes.

The only difference is that the people they conquered it from do not exist any longer, and thus cant claim their otherwise rightful connection.

Having said all that, the Jews came back to the land, and many Arabs left in order to come back with glorious armies in 1948. They lost.

At the same time was some displacement bound to happen? yes, naturally Jews coming back in large numbers to their home, the Middle East, was gonna cause some overpopulation problems otherwise. But considering that Arabs already have 22 states, and Jews only 1, i think can find a compromise(Jews get those 2 or 3 square miles that is Israel, and Arabs get the rest of the Middle East).

Ben Kahen said...

Pouya:

Trust me, even one day you said urself that I know a lot about Israel that you and none of your friends even had any idea about. So don't question my knowledge of history of Israel, mixing up years doesn't make a difference!

Anonymous said...

Arash I never said that and if I did, I was wrong. Actually, any historian will tell you dates are important.

As for your friends argument about "taking" land as justified in a "defensive" war. That's garbage. So you're telling me that when Israel violated international law and violated Lebanese airspace 11,000 times before the June 12th assault, that those acts of aggression justified Lebanon in fighting a "defensive" war and if it succeeded in capturing all of Israel, it would be justified in cleansing the land of the Jewish population?

That's pretty much what you're saying. Youre saying Israel fought a "defensive" war, took territory, and then it cleansed the land and it is all justified by international law?

No thanx.

UN Res. 242 and 338 call for Israel to return all territories.

Then you talk about how everyone has conquered and colonized the land, except for the Jews in that they were there first.

Far from it. That land was conquered by them too. They were not the first. Jeez. Must I tell you guys this shit everytime?

Ok, I will, but as long as you guys try hard to listen and do away with all the propaganda they taught you on "birthright" and the IAC meetings.

Anonymous said...

clearly you didnt read what i wrote. I specifically said "Now you'll say, but didnt Jews conquer it from someone else too? Yes."

good prediction on my part, but then apparently you stopped reading, cuz i followed that up with... "The only difference is that the people they conquered it from do not exist any longer, and thus cant claim their otherwise rightful connection."

Do you see what this means? It means that in comparison to the Arabs and the Christians, the Jews were there first. Thus compared to THEM, the Jews have a better claim to the land. Hence its Jewish land. ( i am not saying Jews were there since the beginning of time, they were just there prior to the Arabs).

Now for your 11,000 nonsense. Way, way before Israel ever initiated reprisals there were attacks from Lebanese territory by the PLO. IDF was responding to these attacks. Your love for taking things out of context is mystifying.

At the same time you of course could not disprove the whole thing about defensive war. citing some resolutions passed by the alliancce of muslims countries and their third war allies means little, since you perfectly know Muslim countries ALWAYS vote against Israel on whatever the issue is. If you're still doubting that these UN resolutions are biased, look at the total number of resolutions that the UN has passed against Israel. It's humongous and its always blaming Israel for horrendous human rights. As a matter of fact there have been more such resolutions directed against Israel than against any other country! No other country even comes close. Honestly, you can say whatever you want, but you cant actually claim that Israel is by far the worst violator of human rights in the world?
I mean there's Sudan, China, USSR for a long time, Iran, Iraq for a long time, Saudi Arabia, Syria, etc.

The UN process is being abused in order to settle scores. If they were honest about human rights violations, then i think North Korea would win hands down, but that's not the reality of geopolitics.


Stil however, my point is still there - if you've been attacked, you dont give the aggressor incentive for future attacks by giving back whatever land he lost.

Anonymous said...

"Stil however, my point is still there - if you've been attacked, you dont give the aggressor incentive for future attacks by giving back whatever land he lost."

And still, however, my point is still there, does that give you the right to cleanse the land of the non-Jewish population?

And I don't think the UN passing "humungous" amounts of resolutions against Israel is telling of any Muslim bias. It does, however, signify that fact that Israel is an aggressor nation.

Hence: (you know I love these quotes)

"We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population."
- David Ben Gurion, Founder of Israel

"Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because geography books no longer exist. Not only do the books not exist, the Arab villages are not there either. Nahlal arose in the place of Mahlul; Kibbutz Gvat in the place of Jibta; Kibbutz Sarid in the place of Huneifis; and Kefar Yehushua in the place of Tal al-Shuman. There is not a single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population."
- Moshe Dayan

Anonymous said...

This is Arash's logic: When an Israeli general orders his troops to use Palestinian civilians as shields when they fight Palestinians who are resisting the occupation, Arash says the general is an isolated case, even though Israeli human rights groups call it a widespread practice by the Israeli military.

Yet, he presents no evidence of Palestinian militants using civilians as cover, yet says they all do.

When presenting Israeli extremists, he calls them isolated cases, but when it comes to Muslim extremists, he says they are representative of all.

He then ignores entirely quotes by Israeli leaders which signify Israel's founding policies towards its non-Jewish population.

This is what is called a Zionist terror apologists.

And when all else fails, he condemns you as a Nazi bc you are speaking out against Israeli atrocities, which is, of course, telling of his own character. You are the extremist occupation soldier that has your bedroom shelf lined up with Israeli made bullets who accuses people of hate for condemning your murderous ideology.

Ben Kahen said...

pOuya:

you are a nazi because you'll do anything in your power to destroy Israel! that's why I call you a Nazi!

About the general, I said that I am happy he is being tried for it. And yes, Palestinians has ALWAYS used civilians as a shield.

come on nazi, don't turn things around!

Anonymous said...

That's it? Come on Arash, I thought you go to law school. You have nothing of substance to say, all you do is character assassinations, which only shows the weakness of your argument. Nice.

Ben Kahen said...

lol it's not that I got nothing to say, I am just not in the mood to keep going through circular argument. character assasination: well if it walks like a duck, sounds like a duck, it is a duck!

Same goes for Pouya: if he talks like a Nazi, acts like a nazi, calls for destruction of jewish homeland, he is a nazi!

The reality on the ground is the best proof of my argument. At the same time, I got better things to do than just reply to this none-sense!

Anonymous said...

Ok. Understood. You can't argue for a damn. You resort to personal attacks and then pretend like I said something like: "calls for destruction of jewish homeland" and address it.

You see, you have zero points against what I actually said, so you have to pretend like I said something I didn't and then you address that.

You're pathetic and the more you write, the more you embarrass yourself Mr. "Irregardless."

Anonymous said...

p.s. I have called for nothing, but you served in an army that is not calling for anything, but is actually destroying the Palestinian homeland.

Your involvment in ethnic cleansing is actually closer to Nazism than anything I ever said.

OUCH.

Anonymous said...

first of all, if you're quoting me, then do me the honor of actually quoting me correctly.

i wrote humongous, not "humungous." clearly berkeley hasn't taught you anything.. except of course learning to hate America even more.

and you even taught a class? man, you need to hit the books and maybe you too can some day go to law school even if it in Isfaha.

Also its funny how you blame Arash for circular argument, and then you YOURSELF keep posting these quotes. Bravo.

And seriously what do these quotes achieve? do they discard my argument about North Korea and Sudan being a much worse violator of human rights than Israel? And yet neither of the two countries have received as many resolutions against them as much as Israel. Isn't that a little suspicious?

Learn to ask questions. True love for your country is the willingness to ask questions so you can make it better.

But since you still on quotes, i will put some too so we can both be happy.

Anonymous said...

Yassir Arafat, the father of the Palestinian Arab movement. Quotes after he signed the Oslo peace accords with Israel in 1993:

During an October 21,1996 speech at the Dehaishe refugee camp:

"We know only one word: jihad,jihad, jihad.When we stopped the intifada, we did not stop the jihad for the establishment of a Palestinian state whose capital is Jerusalem. And now we are entering the phase of the great jihad prior to the establishment of an independant Palestinian state whose capital is Jerusalem...We are in a conflict with the Zionist movement and the Balfour Decleration and all imperialist activities."

In a meeting with Arab diplomats in January 1996:

"We the PLO will concentrate all our efforts on splitting Israel psychologically into two camps. Within five years we will have six to seven million Arabs living on the West Bank and in Jerusalem. The PLO plans to eliminate the State of Israel and establish a purely Plastinian State. We will make life unbearable for Jews by psychological warfare and population explosion; Jews won't want to live among Arabs."

In a speech to his Fatah movement in Gaza:

"It is important that we organize our homes and our movement so that we can more and more and more endure the coming battle, which we shall initiate.We must say these things because great battles lie before us, and it will be now more difficult than in the past...let us each commit one to another and let us commit ourselves before Allah and the Palestinian people that we shall lead the coming battle as we have led previous battles. An oath is an oath and a promise is a promise.The whole world stands on us, while they are alone. They are afraid, but we are not. We cling to the oath and the promise. The Palestinian people is faithful to its oath, the one which we swore upon the first day when the initial shot was fired and the first of our martyrs fell. I must say these things so that you will know where, how, and in which direction our movement is heading. We are marching together to Jerusalem, Jerusalem, Jerusalem." (Palestinian Television, August 5,1997;Al-Hayat Al-Jadeeda, August 6,1997)

To a delegation of Hebron Arab notables in mid-October 1996 urging the use of violence:

"Have you run out of stones in Hebron?Prepare the stones."


In a November 1995 radio address:

"The struggle will continue until ALL of Palestine is liberated."

On death for land dealers:

"Our law is a Jordanian law that we inherited, which applies to both the West Bank and Gaza, and sets the death penalty for those who sell land to Israelis. It is our right to defend our land." (Yediot Achronot, May 21,1997)


President of Iran, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. Quotes:

November 13, 2006

"Israel is destined for destruction and will soon disappear"
Israel is "a contradiction to nature, we foresee its rapid disappearance and destruction."

June 16, 2006

"I think we have sufficiently talked about this matter and these Holocaust events need to be further investigated by independent and impartial parties."

May 28, 2006

"I believe the German people are prisoners of the Holocaust. More than 60 million were killed in World War II . . . The question is: Why is it that only the Jews are at the center of attention?"

And more...

"The skirmishes in the occupied land are part of a war of destiny. The outcome of hundreds of years of war will be defined in Palestinian land. As the Imam said, Israel must be wiped off the map."

"Israel is a rotten, dried tree that will be annihilated in one storm."